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  Rutherford, Knorr or Franz - Who has the most influence on doctrine & process now?

  by konceptual99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, i was thinking - who of the above still has the most influence on current wts doctrine and dogma?.

  rutherford obviously created the smokescreen around 1914/607 but overall his work has been superseded i would suggest.. knorr created the various schools and they or their offspring still live on.

  wasn't it during his tenure that all the blood doctrine, types/anti types (now chucked away of course), transplants etc came along?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  Here's a good question: Which of Franz' teachings are still 'doctrine'

  You can lay Watchtower's historical and contemporary blood taboo squarely at the feet of Fred Franz. He birthed it. No one since has had the know-how or courage to completely get rid of it. They've only tinkered with it to make it a little less damning. But we still have literally tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, who've suffered premature death as a result, and this does not even speak to the question of morbidity.
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  Watchtower Society and Science

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  is the governing body's methods and practices all that much different from the way scientists work?.

  some prominent scientists and big media in the 1970's were pushing imminent disaster from global cooling.

  now its global warming and they all sweep the global cooling fiasco under the rug and act like it was just one or two rogue individuals.. other examples can be given: scientists being wrong on the eternal universe, black holes, whether eggs or coffee are healthy or harmful, presenting fake fossils, etc.

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  What done4good said.

  Because Watchtower is an ideology and not a method then its conclusions are predicable based on whatever is its current ideological preference, which changes.

  Because science is a method then its conclusions are predictable based on that method, which does not change.

  More than than an ideology, I think the best predictor for Watchtower tripe is based on a business model. In the end this means Watchtower conclusions are predictable based on whatever best promotes its religion business. From a scientific perspective this gets a little frustrating to fathom until you realize that the religion business is heavily influenced by sociological factors one of which suggests that tension (beliefs that set a religion apart as different, and strictness of those beliefs) promotes growth in a new religious movement, which Watchtower is. (Watchtower is an infant by comparison with other dominate religious institutions). This need for tension to grow a religion business ends up with an institution promoting and enforcing tenets that have no rational basis. So we end up with a religion business growing itself on the heals of fact and logic defying doctrinal positions that are only changed when it suits the business need and regardless of what facts and good reasoning point to.
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  Rutherford, Knorr or Franz - Who has the most influence on doctrine & process now?

  by konceptual99 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so, i was thinking - who of the above still has the most influence on current wts doctrine and dogma?.

  rutherford obviously created the smokescreen around 1914/607 but overall his work has been superseded i would suggest.. knorr created the various schools and they or their offspring still live on.

  wasn't it during his tenure that all the blood doctrine, types/anti types (now chucked away of course), transplants etc came along?

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  Marvin Shilmer

  The religion is ran as a business that preys on people.

  Theologically it's a rudderless ship.

  Economically it's a powerhouse of clever manipulation, all designed to build a financially self-sustainable religion business that butters its rising stars with power and prestige.
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  How many years will pass before the world recognizes we were right?

  by John Aquila in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  its inevitable that at some point in time, people will look back and see that the exjw community was right about the watchtower organization and the bible..

  i have some friends who are catholic, protestant, and some who dont associate with any religion but believe jesus will come in their lifetime.

  we are such a small minority compared to christians that we are viewed as ignorant when it comes to religious matters.

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  • It’s inevitable that at some point in time, people will look back and see that the exjw community was right about the Watchtower Organization and the Bible.

    Are you joking? Right?

    What ex-JWs are saying about the Watchtower organization is what the rest of the world has been saying the whole time!

    The org's a cult.
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  The 1917 schism

  by Doug Mason in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this has more than likely been referred to here before, so i apologise in advance.. i stumbled across this site:.

  https://archive.org/details/folkscanomy_religion.

  look at the list down the right.. in my case, i was interested in the harvest siftings in which rutherford puts his slant on the 1917 schism:.

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  Rutherford's revamping of the religion invented by CT Russell (and followers) led to the greatest schism of its history. More than 80 percent of its associated ceased their association. This led to emergence of the business end. Ultimately Rutherford rebranded the religion (hence we have Jehovah's Witnesses). Today's leadership of the religion Rutherford invented is following his plan. They are rebranding the religion.
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  Young Girl Exposes Jehovah's Witnesses at school video goes VIRAL last 2 days 273,000 views

  by Watchtower-Free in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  original thread here.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/291080001/brave-high-school-student-exposes-abuse-corruption-within-jehovahs-witnesses.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdvt_gyq-ls.

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  Very powerful! Very!!!

  I applaud this brave young woman! She's going to be okay. The days of her being manipulated are over. Good for her!
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  To My Generation: Jehovah's Witnesses of the Vietnam War Era

  by Hold Me-Thrill Me in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  to my generation: jehovah's witnesses of the vietnam war era .

  if you were a young brother in the late 60's you then remember the burden of the draft and the prospect of going to jail for refusing on religious grounds to be called up.

  in those days we were taught that to do community service was conscientiously the same as joining the military and so we were told to refuse such exemptions.

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  Saw it. Lived it. Was a terrible time. Watchtower took advantage of it.
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  The Duggar family hypocrisy

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  another christian child-abuse scandal in the news is the duggar family of "19 kids and counting" fame.. their show has been pulled after it emerged that the uber-christian family who are seen to promote right-wing christian values covered up abuse within their family and that of other victims by one of their family.

  some values.

  once again the only value that seems to really matter to the religious is appearance... good riddance to hypocritical zealots.. they have campaigned against lgbt as being threats to children and describing them as sexual predators all the while knowing that they have their own dirty secret.

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  • They are now serving 50+ years in prison for child pornography.

    What? They Dugger family is now serving time for child pornography?
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  Who Is Your Favorite Late Show Talk Host Of All Time?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  johnny carson is still the king.

  i thought jay leno was very funny.

  letterman did nothing for me.

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  Carson.
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  New Light! The Evil Slave Class no longer exists!

  by FusionTheism in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  quote from the watchtower, march 15, 2015, page 23:.

  in the illustration of the faithful and discreet slave, jesus spoke of an evil slave who beat his fellow slaves.

  jesus was not there foretelling that an evil slave class would arise.

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  This particular aspect of current Watchtower theology presents an awkward and ironic conundrum for its Governing Body. It turns out that only apostates could advise the fact of an evil slave.

  See Only “Apostates” Can Warn You! and EVIL SLAVE